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Jimmy Lindley - Sandy Barclay - Ron Hutchinson |
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David Maitland - Tony Murray |
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Clive Eccleston - Geoff Baxter - Pat Eddery |
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Brian Lee - Terry Cain |
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| Lester Piggott - Josh Gifford |
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| Colin Moss - Bobby "RP" Elliott |
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| Alec Russell - Geordie Ramshaw |
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| David East - Keith Temple-Nidd |
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Greville Starkey - Alan Cousins |
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| Paul Tulk - John "Kipper" Lynch |
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| Peter Robinson - Bruce Raymond |
I thin it was Nidd, knot Knidd!
ReplyDeleteI've got a 1956 HiT book - must look him up.
Little bit about K T-N here
ReplyDeleteThanks Felix I've corrected it now to K T-N
ReplyDeletei have found an old photo of Kieth Temple-Nidd it was with my dads stuff he was a jockey too. Is Keith still alive?
ReplyDeleteHi Nessabie,
ReplyDeleteKeith Temple-nidd... This article linked below was 10 years ago and he was 66 then, so he could well be still alive at 76 yrs today.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Where+Are+They+Now%3F%3A+Real+survivor+who+kept+coming+back+to+defy+the...-a070010522
Hi again Nessabie,
ReplyDeleteDo you know where your Dad worked, Lambourn Newmarket etc., or can you remember who he worked for?
Burnsy
hi dad was orignally from kildare in ireland but spent most of his time around, childrey, lambourn and upton's yard at sparsholt, he also worked at east ilsley. i have a photo of him with mcmullen on the rear? he admited to having his 'name on a few cups' his father was a very sucsessfull jockey in india. big shose to follow! he was known as dick cullen.
ReplyDeletehe did spend some time in yorkshire and did go ack to get his boots, that i remember mum moaning about.
Hi again,
ReplyDeleteThis is just a long-shot really but I was wondering did your Dad follow in his fathers footsteps... i.e. was your Grandfather also a jockey and possibly rode out in India at some time?
Awwwwe now I feel a right idiot, I didn't read it all and just went racing off because I had a hunch. But anyway yes your Grandfather was a jockey too and did send time in India... I saw picture of him on the web but maybe it was you or one of your family who put it up?
ReplyDeleteOkay here we go Nessabie... this is the picture I saw of the jockey Dick Cullen from County Kildare.
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yes he did but although dad was known as dick he was john and his dad was richard lol and the photo is grandad.Grandad died out in india, but it iseasier to find out about his career out there than it is dads here in england!
ReplyDeletethe licence i have for dad is in the name john richard cullen.
So your Dad was known as dick but he was really John and his dad was Richard... Hhhhhmmmm... Well that doesn't really surprise me at all given the Irish background, I was born in Kilkenny and my Mum had 12 or 13 brothers and not one of them were known by their real names lol.
ReplyDeleteOkay now on your Dad, two questions that might help with finding out some info...
1. The photo with McMullen on the back - what would roughly your best shot be at guessing what year it was taken?
2. The jockeys licence - What year is printed on it & if it's an Apprentice licence who was his master, i.e. who was he indentured to?
photo was taken in the 50's prob 55 ish sorry way before my time and there no date on it!
ReplyDeletethe licence is dated 18 july 1955
it doesn't say apprentice on it, he would have been 24 and not married with no kids, not that makes any difference. it says m/c ? capt R K McMullen, of orchard house, west street, childery, wantage, berks. thats all the info i have i'm afraid.
Okay here goes again… Hopefully this might be the first step in unlocking a door for you to find out more information about your Dad in racing…
ReplyDeleteThe northern connection is most likely to be this - Your Dad when aged about 16yrs old in 1947 was indentured as a flat racing apprentice under Jockey Club Rules to Captain Charles F. Elsey. Elsey ran one of the most powerful stables in the country during this particular era. In the 1947 edition of "Horses in Training" J. R. Cullen weighing seven stone seven pounds is listed as one of the eleven apprentice jockeys attached to Highfield House Stables in Malton, Yorkshire where Captain Charles F Elsey trained his horses.
Thats great and sounds familier. we have 1 or 2 photos, if you would like to see them, how do i go about showing you? there is one taken in yorkshire!
ReplyDeleteThank you, i was told i would need to go to newmarket as nothing was online yet!!
Yes I'd love to see them thank you... You could post them on your blog page or alternatively by email whichever suits best. If by email I could mail you via this site and they will pass on my email address to you, then I could also scan the info I have and send that on to you as well.
ReplyDeleteOh yes I did mean to say that I also have now found your Dad listed as the stable jockey under National Hunt Rules to Captain W. K. McMullen in the 1952 edition of "Horses in Training". His riding weight is given as 9 stone and seven pound… However, you may have another first name to add to the list lol because the name is listed as T. Cullen! Although this might be a publishers error but there's no doubt it’s him as it's McMullen’s stable at Childrey Wantage.
ReplyDeletehis uncle Tom was a jockey too and I have been told he came to this area to to be with his aunt and uncle, lol so that's prob my g8 uncle tom, g
ReplyDeleteGranddad Dicks brother. there a whole batch of Cullens, Toms lot, in the racing game at lambourne, but most are no longer alive or in it on a daily basis.
these books you are looking in are they on line or do you have access to real copies? I would like to see the racing stats of dads but I guess that's a visit to new market and going through records!
is there any where I can look on line?
cheers Vanessa.
oh apparently my mum was a girlfriend of Lester Piggot of a while, but I don't know how long. I guess she like a jockey, lol
Burnsy - Keith Temple-Nidd was born Adrian Keith T-N in 1934. There is a fascinating family history page of his father here,Herbert Temple Nidd.
ReplyDeleteSee also this cutting from a Singaporean newspaper in 1954 bringing news of 20 year old Keith's first winner in four years (after serious injuries) at 20/1 at Folkestone.
More about the complex T-N family here - very sad business and, for that matter, somewhat of a mystery. Perhaps that is how the class system worked then? There is no mention of Keith anywhere, though the brother here was noted as very short.
ReplyDeleteThe marriage certificates in the previous link are fascinating, and not commented on (!) - two marriages between the same pair, 7 years apart, with the suicide of the first wife in between....
What a brilliant site.
ReplyDeleteMrs Brian Jago recommended it to me.
Lovely to see so many old names and faces, especially Terry Cain.
I have written a couple of books on training in Epsom, so I am always interested in the old names. and now and again some of them get in touch with me.
Re Mr Cullen are you related to W.P. Cullen (1861-1937) trained at Epsom, lambourn & Ireland
Thank you Bill for the great feedback on the site and also many thanks to Mrs Jago for recommending it to you, it’s much appreciated. I do get a great thrill when I find a new photo or information about Jockeys, trainers etc. from years gone by and I always hoped to find a site with lots of horseracing nostalgia so I did start to think why not have a go myself so here I am! That's fabulous that you've written books on training in Epsom, what a wonderful thing to do, I just saw one of your books on Amazon. No Bill I’m no relation to Cullen W.P. at all… the Cullen connection is to do with a lady who was trying to find out information about her Dad's life in racing, he came from a racing family that originated from Kildare… her grandfather was Richard Cullen who won the Irish 1000 guineas in 1925 on Flying Dinah when an 18 yr old apprentice, and his brother Tom Cullen won the 1932 Irish National on Copper Court. The only info I know of at the moment on her Dad, who was John Richard Cullen but known as Dick Cullen, was that he was apprenticed to Capt Elsey at Malton in 1947 and that in 1955 he held a jockeys licence and it appears that he was with Capt. R K McMullen at Wantage who would have been a N.H. trainer. I was thinking maybe I should do a page on it and who knows somebody might get in touch who knew about him and something of his life in racing.
ReplyDeletethat would be sooo coool, sorry I am a grown woman honest!!!!
ReplyDeleteI think I know more now from that short passage than I did before, especially about uncle Tom.
A chap from the racing world who has worked for a national paper and channel 4, I think, comes into the shop I work in and has said he as a case of form and turf books I can have a look through, after he has dealt with a funeral, I hope he remembers! Cheers x
Well I think it would be sooooo cool too if somebody got in touch who knew something and you found a few things out that you never knew! I’d do it for you myself Vanessa but sadly I don’t have the books like form books from that era as mainly mine are from the late sixties and early seventies with just one or two strays which are other types of books from the 40’s and 50’s. If I was you I’d focus on the flat racing books from say 1947(ish) to 1951(ish) and then from say 1952(ish) onwards switch to National Hunt racing as we know he was with a flat stable in 1947 and with a jump stable in 1952.
ReplyDeleteDid you pick up on the post by Felix about Keith Temple –Nidd? A newspaper showed that Keith Temple –Nidd was an apprentice with Arthur Budgett in 1954 and Budgett trained in Wantage which links in with your Dad being in Wantage and the fact he had a photo of Keith in his possessions.
One other thing… just a thought really… amongst the Cullen family, maybe an uncle of yours for example… was one of them named Mick Cullen and did he work in Lambourn for many years?
my uncle tom or more correctly great uncle, had a fair few son and the johnny cullen who worked for fred winter was one of his boys, so there is a pretty good chance that it was his son michael, i'm a bit removed from it all as i was born the day johnny got married! he is still in lambourn.
ReplyDeletewe had a reunion of cullens from my great gandparents down, at the time it was 66 pages long and is still being adding to.
i guess when its finished that will be the place to look. i did a webpage so i could do our branch of the tree, but it's very small compared to the whole thing. as soon as i get a car i will be off to the library in lambourne, it seams the place to start! cheers vanessa
Mick Cullen was Tommy Cullen's son & worked for many years as Travelling head lad for Fred Winter.He was a good boxer too winning the stable lads boxing. Two brothers Johnny & Richard also worked foe Fred Winter. Sadly both Mick & Richard are no longer with us.
ReplyDeleteYes that's the Mick Cullen I remember Graham, often seen him in the bookies and the Malt Shovel in Upper Lambourn. You probably seen this before but if not there's a little bit about him here -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/3017397/Racing-Diary-Hare-of-the-dog.html
Burnsy
hi a am wondering if you could point me in the right direction for information, my father Brian Nicholls used to be an appentice at newmarket aswell in the 70s training with boyd rochford and henry cecil i am just trying to find out as much information as i can about newmarket at that time and if possible maybe find some pictures also.
ReplyDeleteif you know of anywhere i could find information that would be great.
thankyou laura nicholls
Hi Laura,
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking you're talking about photos of Newmarket in general in the late sixties early seventies, would that be right?
I do know of a video clip and although this is not actually the era you're interested it's much earlier, however I think you'll find it interesting as it's about Freemason Lodge which was Boyd-Rochfort's stable.
Have a look
Best wishes
Burnsy
Laura the video clip... it's here -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=48208
thankyou for that, anything is great help. im finding it difficult trying to find my father in any of the racing information even thought i know that he was in a race involing red rum.
ReplyDeletethanx again i will keep looking and i will have a look at that video
laura
Hello again Laura,
ReplyDeleteB. L. Nicholls is listed as an apprentice with H. R. A. Cecil in 1970... So that must be your Dad surely.
Burnsy
hi am looking 4 a old jockey his name was compton rodrigues he is my wife dad we have been try tio searh 4 him for a few year now could u help me he was in newmarket around 1975 i no he broke his leg while racing hope u can help
ReplyDeleteI remember Compton Rodrigues bursting onto the scene as a whiz kid apprentice, but seemed to almost vanish without mention
ReplyDeleteHi Burnsy , i think Keith Temple-Nidd lives ( d ) in Red Lodge near Newmarket. He did have a place over there which Kipper Lynch has now. Still see kipper now and then. Paul Tulk is still in Newmarket too.
ReplyDeleteGreat photo's. I was apprenticed at Willie Stephenson's at the same time as Bruce Raymond . Des Cullen was there then and Dennis Ryan was stable jockey on the flat and Michael Scudamore NH.
Lots of good lads went through there - Dennis Letherby was a pal of mine and David Goulding was there for a year.
Other lads were Peter Bedford and Dave Papworth. Dave is still in Newmarket as is Bruce who's nickname in the yard was " Pedro ". Eric Mercer ( the youngest brother I think ) was also an apprentice there. The head lad was Stan Tidey , the man who broke in " Golden Miller" just up the road at Basil Briscoe's where he was head lad.
More later if interested ..
I knew David Papworth when he was with Neville Crump in Yorkshire. I often wondered what had happened to him. Great sense of humour!
ReplyDeleteTommy Stack, Barry Brogan and Pat McCarron were of the same era.
Hi Bee , He hasn't changed a bit - good man :-)
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